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, and a large database which is different than they nsa record and that pass them along to agents in the field. while this is perfectly acceptable, probably acceptable, to pass along the tips, what happens next raises questions. the agency has been instructed
, foreign governments, domestic wiretaps, and a large database which is different than they nsa record and that pass them along
it is a database that is different from the nsa database because it includes information collected lawfully from search warrants and subpoenas andsays the dea. if they are investigating you for drugs and they did a subpoena and got your phone records, the numbers you've dialed and the numbers you dial you would be in that database. if they are investigating me, they would do the same thing.
iteration is. we have a lot of acronyms and washington. it is a database that is different from the nsa database
later when the nsa program has expanded so much. sideyou want allies on our , standing firm against islamic terrorism, after the president says the war is almost over -- i support the nsa program. we went through the nuances. apart from the isolationist the blameart from america first crowd in congress, one of the main reasons why we have a hard time maintaining support for programs such as the nsa is because the president has undercut us. he speaks in a schizophrenic way. he should be the one out there on national television. he should be the one of there, instead of talking about phony scandals, he should be talking about the speeches he has made about islamic terrorism and tell us why the nsa program is so important. [applause] we are up against a situation where people considered republicans or conservatives are defending a program of left of center president refuses to defend it himself. the country has to come first. that is why i believe a program such as the nsa, that as the basis for today's program, is so essential. let me talk about privacy versus security. menace of comm
of the nsa had actually caused inconvenience, damage, harm to un-american. i have not seen that story yet. wasve not seen a person who wrongfully identified to be a terrorist, was thrown in jail, given the fifth degree, and so on. there has been more inconvenience and damage to americans by the no-fly list and by taking shoes off in an airport then buy this program, which is precisely pointed toward finding people who pose threats to the united states, see who they are talking to, follow them up under court supervision to identify threats. stuff, this is potential we do not trust the government having information stuff. it is not real harm caused to real people by activities which are causing no good. >> i am not going to debate this, because i am not supposed to be the debater appear. but i am going to play devils advocate with you you. let us put it that way. i will take full accountability for that for our audience here and on the webcast. there are two things i would push you on. one is, how would you know if anyone had been harmed by abuse, given that the program is as secret as it i
. question to my storingo who favor the of data records out of the nsa and allowing them to sandy phone companies. stay in the phone companies heard what weight do you give the factor we have such a litigious society that it is very easy for someone to go into judge,nd get a left-wing if you will, who will give a say , on injunction, and thus prevent the immediate availability of that information if it were allowed to be -- to remain in the phone company hands? there is a session court to up for that. you are dealing with just the fisa court, a judge -- >> you are talking while it is in the possession of the government, the nsa gecko what i'm talking about is -- the nsa? what i'm talking about is the dy made, taking it out of the nsa possession, allowing it to remain in five years in a phone company's possession. you're taking it out of and putting it into the civil courts, where the phone company is a subject to an injunction. >> general alexander and others in the nsa have discussed this. they have no philosophical problem with the phone company holding onto the records. again, their
with russian president putin. it is in retribution to russia's decision to grant asylum to nsa security leaguer edward snowden. it is also first-rate with rush on an array of other issues including missile defense and human rights. says obama still plans to attend the g 20 summit, but a one-on-one meeting with president putin has been postponed. president obama will also at a stop in sweden to his early september travel itinerary. in a statement today, senator schumer, democrat of new york, praised the cancellation. "the president clearly made the right decision, president putin is acting like a schoolyard bully and he does not deserve the respect of a bilateral summit." the president is in california today. he appeared on the "tonight show" with jay leno tonight. he will be visiting troops at the marine corps base. we will bring you the president of the remarks live starting at 3:50 eastern here on c-span. >> ladies intimate, the secretary of state john kerry, and shaun casey, and the executive director of the white ande office of faith-based partnerships, melissa. [applause] >> thank you. tha
understand it, the nsa's collection of ma tada that, the kind we've, discussing today is pursuant to 215 of the patriot act. section 215 b-2 a of the act places an important limitation on the collection, and it limit the government's ability to collect that meta data to where circumstances data in question is quote, relevant to an authorized investigate, closed quote. it's difficult to define in the abstract. it's somewhat fluid concept and one of those things that some might say i know it when i see it. but i struggle to define it. yet regardless of how difficult it might be to twin in the abstract what relevance is. continue don't you think we have left the station of relevance long before we get to the point of collecting meta data on potentially 300 million americans, and their cell phone usage? how can one get one's mind around the concept of that volume of information? meta data or otherwise, all being relevant an ongoing investigation? >> well, senator, he can chime in. noted a little bit earlier, how broad, as you noted yourself, the concept of relevance in civil discovery and ma
database which is different than they nsa record and that pass them along to agents in the field. while this is perfectly acceptable, probably acceptable, to pass along the tips, what happens next raises questions. the agency has been instructed to create something called parallel construction. that is once they make a case, they act as if they never got the information. they might get a tip that a drug dealer will be in a certain place at a certain time. when an agent will follow a car and, they will make a pre textual traffic stop. they will find drugs inside but the only reason they need to follow the car is from the tip. the agents and the police and the field must recreate their investigative reports. they are supposed to leave out any trace that they got this tip from special operations. the problem with that say some critics is that that means the defendant will not have access to certain information that is part of their constitutional right to a fair trial. host: when it comes up in court, how is it explained by the agents? guest: the agent might be asked how this investigation
heard edward snowden, i was leading the fight in congress to take the nsa to task. i wrote a legislation to repeal the patriot act and the fisa amendments act. throughout my career, and this campaign, i have been advancing the bold ideas that we need to extend the american dream to all americans. bold ideas people will be talking about tonight. >> thank you very much. sheila oliver. opportunityate the to engage in dialogue with my opponents in this quest to fill the seat of the late senator frank lautenberg. voters ofope that the new jersey listen intently this evening as we focus on issues that are not just important to capitol hill, but also those issues that are important to the people that live in the state. as a u.s. senator, you have an obligation to engage in moving the agenda of the nation forward, but you should also use that representation to help move an agenda forward for the state of new jersey, and its citizens. as a legislative leader, i have visited the length and breadth of the state, engage with communities from cape may up to just during at campaign. i think that my 10
harman, and the nsa former nsansel. -- general counsel. this is one hour, 10 minutes. >> the title of this panel, as you see, is counterterrorism, national security, and the rule of law. the tension between what the law demands and what the national defense requires is, in essence, what this panel is about. we are pleased to have one of america's premier investigative journalists. mike joined nbc news in 2010 as the national investigative correspondent. we all know he covered, among other things, the boston marathon bombing and the newtown shooting massacre. he appears regularly on nbc news. he is also the author of new york times best-selling books "hubris" and also "uncovering clinton." go ahead. >> thank you. and i want to thank you again for assembling great panels every year. you get newsmakers and future newsmakers to serve on these panels. last year, i served on a panel with paula broadwell. while i do not expect any of our distinguished panelists to make news like that this year, i think they will all be in the spotlight in some form. to my left, the general counsel of the
of the nsa surveillance program. we will look at the white house recent decision to close some of the middle eastern and african embassies based it on interception intelligence and the impact of the high-level information leaks. joining us will be the freelance journalist and politico defense reporter. we will also take your phone calls, get your reaction on twitter and facebook. the town hall discussion gets under way live at 10:00 eastern. the encore presentation of first ladies. to go the earliest letter we have dates to october 1762, and we call it the miss adorable letter because that is how he opens the letter. john writing to abigail. he says ms. adorable, by the same token that the bearer of hero set up with you last night, as here -- i hereby order you to give him as many cases and many hours of your company after 9:00 as he shapley's to demand and charge them to my account. i presume i have good right to draw upon you for the kisses as i have given to that 3 million at least. and a consequence, the accounts between us is an immensely in favor of your spirited takeover first lady's
arabia. host: were you aware of this n.s.a. phone data collection, the metta data operation? uest: i was not. caller: my comment is everyone is mad about the tsa, but i love them. yes, it is an inconvenience but would you rather be in the air at 10,000 feet, 5,000 feet, whatever it is and your plane blow up? yes, they need an overhaul of the system, but we need them. guest: think you for that point. you are exactly right. we all have to have certain things to keep us safe. some people might not like to stop at red light and an intersection, but we recognize if you're mature that we need some way of coordinating car traffic at an intersection. some tradeoffs in convenience are necessary for public safety. your point is exactly right, which is very few people would want a complete no security approach to the most repeated threat factors of al qaeda. the question isn't whether we should have some security. it's how can we make it better. you said it very well. there's an opportunity to make a better in terms of continued investment and professionals, and also, an opportunity to make the
enriched if i could have found a story in which activities of the nsa had actually caused inconvenience, damage, harm to an american. have not seen that story yet. i have not seen a person who was wrongfully identified to be a terrorist, thrown in jail, even the fifth degree, and so on. has been more inconvenience and damage to americans by the no-fly list and by taking off your shoes in an airport that has been done by this program, which is very precisely pointed towards finding people who point real threats to the eights, see who they are talking to, follow them up under supervision in order to identify threats. all the stuff is potential -- we do not trust the government having this information stuff. not real harms caused to real people buy these activities which are causing real good. >> that discussion coming up tonight, and afterwards, a live town hall to examine the nsa surveillance program and its effect on national security, foreign policy, civil liberties. look at the recent decision to close a middle eastern and embassies.'s and -- freelancell be a a reporter from politico.
nation's surveillance programs have helped thwart terrorist attacks because of the n.s.a. and f.b.i. personnel who work on these activities every day and working hard to comply with the law to protect our constitutional liberties and keep america safe. and contrast to the efforts of those hardworking, law-abidinging personnel, americans have serious reservations about attorney general holder and clapper who have -- who are ultimately responsible for the management of these programs. we remain gravely concerned about their lack to follow the law, be forthright with the american people and congress, and commitment to protect our actually guaranteed liberties. continued congressional oversight coupled with the terminations of clapper and holder will help restore these fight terrorism without compromising our liberties or creating gaps in our intelligence structure. in addition the removal may start the healing process to restore america's trust in our federal government. thank you, i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields. for what purpose does the gentleman from
not have any further announcements. i am wanting to ask about the nsa's surveillance programs. the threat that they have identified help bolster the case that the surveillance is needed? >> i will not blend those two stories, or those two issues together. haveve a threat that we advised the public about. we have discussed with you in the media, and we are interacting with that threat. we have some issues with unauthorized disclosure of classified inspiration. -- information. we are in a debate about that. we have to protect our security, and the balance in providing security, and protecting privacy is something we are working on. we are working on what that threat represents, and how we can act against it paid we also want to ensure the protection and security of our american people here at home and abroad. i would not blend the two issues. operationally, if the aq kior is weakened, doesn't make it easier, or harder, in terms of all cried as ability to organize a worldwide attack? that some counterterrorism experts might be able to address this with greater detail. the al qaeda core a hea
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